Rokhaya Diallo and Maboula Soumahoro are not only great thinkers, writers, and activists, but also very close friends. Both have experienced what it means to come under fire in today’s France when speaking out against injustice. Threats and intimidation, both online and in everyday life, are constant and never become normal.

But what strategies do they use to continue finding joy despite it all? What is the importance of friendship, solidarity, and humor in a time when one’s environment can feel so close yet so hostile?

In this conversation, Maboula and Rokhaya will discuss what brings them joy. And only joy!